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Dumbledore Is Not !
by David Haber
Well... maybe not. At least, I don't think he is. Snape's betrayal and the of Dumbledore caught me completely by surprise. Dumbledore was , and on top of that, Snape had done it. And all of the clues point to two possibilities, that Dumbledore's not really , or at the very least, that Snape's not really a Eater, and he Dumbledore because Dumbledore ordered him to, as part of a grand plan.
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I just want to add to my previous post on here.
One of the reasons given why 'a' Dumbledore is is that the spell holding Harry frozen to the wall ended and he could move.
Well last night I was sitting reading OotP, chapter 21, The Eye of the Snake where the DA are practising the Impediment Jinx...
'The room was soon full of intermittent cries of 'Impedimenta!' People froze for a minute or so, during which their partner would stare aimlessly around the room watching other pairs at work, then would unfreeze and take their turn at the jinx.' (OotP uk pg 401)
So, if a group of trainees can freeze their opponents for a minute or so it stands to reason DD could freeze a person for longer - and the spell wears off of its own accord.
Posted by Orlando from England on February 6, 2007 12:10 PM
Orlando, great point, and one that I had been wondering about myself.
Posted by Amy Brinkley from Oceanside, CA on February 14, 2007 11:54 AM
Orlando, I happened to be looking at The Eye of the Snake chapter last night as well and took of note of that impedimenta charm. It could certainly be possible that Dumbledore, a much more powerful wizard, could do a stronger longer lasting impedimenta.
Another possibility is that someone else on the tower unfroze Harry as Dumbledore went flyin over the side. My first suspect is Snape. As he was leaving, he could have easily unfroze Harry. He saw the two broom, knew about the Invisibility coak, put two and two together and realized Harry was around.
Another prime choice would be Dobby. I do think he may have been up there. I have no hard clue, except for the fact that Harry told him to follow Malfoy, so he might have been still on Draco's tail.
Posted by Heather from NJ on February 14, 2007 1:06 PM
I believe Dumbledore is gone and that Snape actually ed him. In watching the GOF again, on HD-DVD I might add (looked sweet) the point is clearly made that once your a Eater, you're ALWAYS a Eater. Seemed like one of those one-line clues JK likes to tuck in somewhere. A line like that is too important to have just been thrown in. I hope DD comes back somehow, but if he does I believe it be in a painting in the headmaster's office.
Posted by Mark from Orlando, Florida on February 17, 2007 07:34 AM
in book 5 while harry was in the lane with the dementors he dropped his wand, but he still managed to perform lumos, surly if this was possible to command you wand at a distance Dumbledore would have done something while it was him and malfoy alone, i think the whole trip which weakened him was staged so his was belivable as he was weakend
Posted by leanne from scotland on February 19, 2007 06:16 AM
reading there about the painting of dumbledore in the office, it wasnt mentioned in the book if the painting was awake or sleeping etc it just said it was there, maybe it was not like the other paintings as dd is not actually , which is why there was no mention of it talking or so on, it cant because he is still alive.
Posted by leanne from scotland on February 19, 2007 06:41 AM
in my book it clearly states that Dumbledore was sleeping in his portrait. I have the US version.
HBP p. 626 "And a new portrait had joined the ranks of the headmasters and headmistresses of Hogwarts: Dumbledore was slumbering in a golden frame over the desk, his half-moon spectacles perched upon his crooked nose, looking peaceful and untroubled."
Now we know that people in portraits sometimes be sleeping, or at least appear to be asleep. However, in this situation I think that JKR used her words carefully and gave us a clue to the fact that dumbledore may have taken the sleeping draught. (OK, maybe it is also a bit of wishful thinking.)
Posted by Heather from NJ on February 19, 2007 6:59 PM
One thing that makes me consider the Draught of Living is that Snape mentioned it in PS/SS during the very first Potions lesson that he ever gave to Harry. And it comes up again in the very first Potions lesson that Slughorn ever gives too. Also Snape mentioned the Bezoar, in that very first lesson, and it came up in the HBP as well in a big way.
Posted by Karen from Texas on February 19, 2007 10:18 PM
Heather: you assume that Albus Dumbledore could have taken a sleeping draught before the end of HBP, being almost and happen to live again in DH.
What about this other story?
Albus Dumbledore took a sleeping drought at the beginning of year 1 (SS/PS). Another Albus Dumbledore appeared from the future (time-reversal) and took his place. This second one is the one we see in all HP books from SS to HBP. At the end of year 6 (that is, at the end of HBP), Albus Dumbledore (2nd) is ed by Snape. A few days after, Snape wakes up Albus Dumbledore (1st), who has been sleeping for 6 years. This Albus Dumbledore be with us all along in DH, perfectly living, but disguised as someone else (nobody must know Dumbledore is alive, at least not Voldemort nor Harry). We'll just happen to know who he is at the end of DH, when he'll say to Harry he would like some bread with raspberry jam. We'll be so pleased at that that we'll start again reading DH, finding all the minor clues that Jo left for us to show where Dumbledore is. At the end of DH, Albus Dumbledore (1st) jump back seven (magic number) years earlier to ensure the link with Dumbledore 2nd. For Albus Dumbledore, it have been this story: before Harry comes to Hogwarts, then sleep for six years, then DH and back to the past, then SS, CoS, PoA, GoF, OotP, and HBP where he finally s, his task fulfilled (how can we imagine even for a while that he could without fulfilling his life task of getting rid of Voldemort).
This way, Dumbledore really d for ever in HBP and Jo didn't tell lies. But on the other side, we'll see much of Dumbledore in book 7.
How could Dumbledore appear? I think the best hidden way is that he would appear as someone we already saw. Two ideas.
During most of DH story: Filch (I'll have to check, but I think nothing invalidates the hypothesis of Filch being in fact, from the beginning, Dumbledore transformed - and it would be very much like Jo to show that the same person can have too sides).
Maybe near the end: a dementor. All dementors look alike, and Voldemort wouldn't suspect a dementor of being a threaten, for all of them are supposed to have turned to his side. If a boggart can make a convincing dementor, surely Dumbledore could, too.
Posted by herve from strasbourg on February 20, 2007 05:07 AM
I like the theories about the Draught of the Living , the sleeping potion, the switchero, and the time traveling Dumbledore.
From what I have read no where is it said the "Albus" Dumbledore is . It is merely mentioned that "Dumbledore" is . If Aberforth and Albus are twins as suggested then there would be no need for the Polyjuice potion and Aberoth took the place of his brother. This could also explain Snapes hesitance in ing him.
But there are also issues to consider such as the Unbreakable Vow. I find that the time travel theory fits well. It allows Albus to assist Harry in DH, but to be truly as well. The only part that doesn't fit too well is that the future Albus would not have traveled so far back or the else he would have known about the Horcruxes sooner than GOF. I find it more likely that after Voldemort is ed Albus travel back to just before he and Harry set out to enter the cave in HBP. The other Albus (present) go to sleep while the Future Albus . So like stated previously, Albus truly in HBP, but be able to assist Harry in DH.
This way Snape keeps his Vow from HBP, but still allowing Harry to be protected by Albus.
Posted by Ryan from New York on February 21, 2007 07:25 AM
herve, i always like your theories and i do think we find out in DH that Dumbledore does spend a bit of his time time travelling. i too suggested that it was a future Dumbledore on top of the tower (New Revelations p17). Draught of the Living is bound to show itself again---at this point we can only guess, but you may be correct, herve. it sounds plausible.
Posted by Heather from NJ on February 21, 2007 1:28 PM
For a brief few days (okay weeks are you happy now?) I also thought that Albus and Aberforth had switched places. There are about two gigantic holes in that oh-so-brilliant theory. Remember Marvolo Gaunt's ring and how it was a Horcrux? Well think about this.. Albus's had was badly scarred; that would be a giveaway that Albus was truly with Harry on that devastating trip. Also, Albus's portrait showed up in in his old office: if Aberforth were the one that had d, the portrait would not show up because he was not a Head.
Herve-- I am totally madly in love with your time travel theory: that makes so much sense and is better than my Time-Turner theory, involving Albus going back in time and warning his past self not to go after the Horcrux in the cave. Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore is too brilliant to himself: you would think that people in the Wizarding World would get used to their future selves popping up from nowhere.... =)
Posted by Ashley from Missouri on February 21, 2007 2:46 PM
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