Dumbledore Is Not !
by David Haber
Well... maybe not. At least, I don't think he is. Snape's betrayal and the of Dumbledore caught me completely by surprise. Dumbledore was , and on top of that, Snape had done it. And all of the clues point to two possibilities, that Dumbledore's not really , or at the very least, that Snape's not really a Eater, and he Dumbledore because Dumbledore ordered him to, as part of a grand plan.
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As I said before, Richard Harris was the best Dumbledore!
These are the events that I think took place leading up to Dumbledore's : Snape made the unbreakable vow to protect Draco and take over his mission if he "failed". Assuming "failed" meant d, Snape only had to Dumbledore if Draco d while trying. Dumbledore and Snape made a plan. Dumbledore said that he take Harry somewhere, when the time is right. If this was true, he must have known where the horcrux was a long time before he took Harry there. But then where did he go when he disappeared from Hogwarts for weeks? Maybe he was looking for the rest of the horcruxes. Dumbledore taught Voldy, so he knew the kinds of things he would find leading up to the horcrux. Therefore, he knew that he would be weakened somehow when in his attempt to get the horcrux. This made it easy for him to plan his with Snape. When Dumbledore came back from getting the horcrux with Harry, he was weakened from the potion. Snape and Dumbledore's original plan was for Snape to Dumbledore with the Avada Kedavra so that Draco wouldn't become a er. When Snape saw the weakened body of Dumbledore, he knew it wouldn't be necessary to use the Avada Kedavra, and thought another spell in his head while saying the Avada Kedavra without meaning it. This caused Dumbledore to fly over the tower. Dumbledore d because of the force of the fall, not because of the unforgivable curse. This made Snape less of a bad guy, because he knew Dumbledore was going to anyway. Or, I think Snape said the Avada Kedavra curse without meaning it, and Dumbledore muttered his own curse under his breath, causing himself to fly over the tower, therefore, leaving Snape a good guy. If Snape is a good guy, I really don't think he would have meant the Avada Kedavra curse when he said it. In OOTP we learn that someone has to mean the curse in order for it to work. So, if he hadn't used a different spell in his mind, then Snape is a bad guy, because he would have meant the Avada Kedavra curse.
Posted by Dumbledore's Fan on January 12, 2007 12:43 PM
I believe all this stuff, and its sooo cool. Also another bit of info is that Dumbledore said to Harry, "I am only truly gone when none here are loyal yo me." And Harry is still loyal to Dumbledore, as are his friends and most of the teachers.
Posted by Stephanie from Downey, CA on January 12, 2007 5:12 PM
i think alot of you guys prefer Harris as Dumbledore because he was the First Dumbledore in the movie franchise and we got used to him and then when Gambon became the new Dumbledore no one wanted to give a chance, thats where i agree with Mistrel saying that Gambon probably did not want to imitate Harris and insult him. And as to Justin's comment he has a point in saying that Dumbledore in the books has no depth because in the end he is a one dimensional character who does not develop and so in the movies they can't do exactly the same to the books because to the people who have not or wont read the books get bored with Gambons portrayal of The Hogwarts Headmaster. Gambon cant be everyones Dumbledore because all readers have a different one in thier heads like me i did not picture Dumbledore like Harris or Gambon. Gambon has to create Dumbledore in the way that he thinks is comfortable and if it means shaking Harry then so be it, and consiring Gambon never really read the books he is not really that bad besides as Justin said the movies always be different to the books and i bet movie 6 Dumbledore not wear a black travelling cloak. Im not saying Harris was a bad Dumbledore but as he is not with us no longer we have to live with this one. Also the books can very different because one could create emotions and feelings where the movie cannot just like Dumbledores presence being calming.
Ian McKellin would've been a FANTASTIC Dumbledore but i think he is quite had enough of being wizards, also read the casting report that they have asked Sir Ian and he declined or his manager did.
I agree with stephanie that we see dumbledore again perhaps in memories or dreams and lets not forget his portrait. JK Rowling did say we learn about Dumbledores past.
I wish Dumbledore is still ALIVE he was one of my favourite character in the books and movies and Harry Potter not be Harry Potter without our eccentric headmaster!
Posted by casey on January 13, 2007 10:44 AM
Ok, I have not read all of these comments but I just reread the Half Blood Prince and whether Dumbledore is or not, there is definitely something else that went on between Snape and Dumbledore. I know that Dumbledore's biggest weakness seems to be giving people second chances but he is not stupid. I honestly think that just the fact that Snape felt really bad about telling Voldemort about the prophecy would not make Dumbledore trust him to the point of almost becoming angry when his decision is challenged. There HAD to be some other reason Dumbledore trusted Snape.
Posted by Kate on January 13, 2007 4:23 PM
I have been ready the comments about gambon and harris and i think it's a cool debate on who was better. i also like gambon as dumbledore and i also think that he could have been better in the gof movie but like what casey and justin said the movies are very different and that gambon can't be eveyones dd and that gambon does not want to insult harris.
Posted by Grant on January 14, 2007 07:53 AM
I think I know where a horcrux is. My idea is a bit muddled still but...
1) There is a horcrux hidden in the Room of Requirement. When Harry gets in in order to hide the potions book, the piles and piles of junk i described in loads of detail. Could a horcrux be among the piles of "jewels" and "cloaks". If these details were not relevant, then surely the room would have just become some kind of cupboard or safe? It would make sense that Voldemort would have liked to have Hogwarts as a hiding place since it was so important to him.
2) This horcrux could be the Ravenclaw or Gryffindor (supposedly) item and could have been the first one he made - possibly while he was at Hogwarts, shortly after he had ed his father and family and found out about Horcruxes.
3) The item could also be the Hufflepuff cup. Voldemort may have used returning to Hogwarts to ask for the job as an excuse to get to the castle in order to hide the item (after securing it from Hepsibah)
4) I think Tonks knows about the horcruxes and believes that there is one in the R of R. That is why she was on the corridor when Harry met her (the opposite side of the castle to Dumbledore's office where she 'should' have been). I am doubtful that there is a dark side to her, so did Dumbledore tell her about the horcruxes? Has she been helping him? We are never told that Harry is the only one he has told. Or is she doing independent 'research'. She is related to Regulus and if he is R.A.B. then could they have got the locket together? A valid point was made a while ago that it seemed to require two people to get the locket - Dumbledore could not have drunk the potion without Harry forcing him. When they get in the boat, however, Dumbledore says that it is designed for one. If two people got it before, would one not have had to have been underaged? Or a squib? Or how effective is Tonks' ability to shape-shift? Did that fool the magic? There is certainly a lot more to come in terms of the Black family tree.
Posted by hamlet from Bradford on January 14, 2007 12:50 PM
I like both Dumbledors. The first one (Harris) was laid back. He had an air of wisedom about him. I think as one gets older they do mellow out having lived through so many bad times. However with things becoming so dark in the later books, even Dumbledore's patience could be pushed to the limit by the stress of Voldemorts return. Therefore I think the second Dumbledore is also a good choice. I do think the first one could have risen to the challenge but we never know. The only thing I can say I really didn't like was in GOF when Dumbledore shook Harry while asking if he put his name in the goblet. I can't see DD loosing his cool like that. I mean all through HBP, he knew Draco was trying to him but he didn't fly off the handle and confront him. He has a way of being quiet, observing, and in a way being more sneaky than any other character in the book.
This may be a far fetched idea, but maybe if DD's was faked by using a substitute (maybe with polyjuice potion) the changes in personality could be explained away by the other substitutes personality coming out from time to time. What do you guys think?
Posted by Sandy from Atlanta, Ga. on January 14, 2007 7:48 PM
When the tomb sets on fire we know that fawkes is famous for his "fire"
secondly how do we know that was the real dumbledore in the tower? we've seen polyjuice potion many a time. cos, gof and in hbp.
Posted by rhys from Wolverhampton on January 15, 2007 12:39 AM
Its hard to decide whether he is or not... My previous comment about that might not have been the "real" dumbledore polyjice potion could be involved in it. But... I read a comment about the portraits of previous headmasters. In one of the films CoS i think dosnt mcgonagal become headteacher for a small while?
So there is reasons for both sides... Another one is the Flying Curse. As far as i know you do not fly in the air when struck with avada kedavra you just fall and . Why then did dumbledore hang in mid air just before falling ff the tower..... Thinking back to dueling club... 1..2..3 Expelliarmus! You seem to lift in the air... So its all too mysterious for me..... unless J.K wanted to emphasise dumbledore's by having him hang in front of the dark mark before .
Posted by rhys from Wolverhampton on January 15, 2007 05:22 AM
I just finished reading the book for the second time and after really putting alot of though into it this seems reasonable. JKR has already explained that Dumbledore is in fact . She has also mentioned that Harry be receiving a new pet in DH.
Now to me Fawkes being the reincarnated Godric Gryffindor and Dumbledore's guide leads perfectly into the theories that Dumbledore (let me emphasize here now be) be a phoenix in 7 and also harry's new pet. This was the only way Dumbledore could keep Draco and Snape from being ed.
Also, from a strategic standpoint it bodes well for the time when Harry actually confronts Voldemort to have Snape as Voldemort's top guy. I think that Dumbledore also knew this and thought that this would be an advantage when the final confrontation takes place.
To summarize I do think that Dumbledore is but was reborn into the Phoenix that Harry saw at the . The phoenix is the new pet that JKR was talking about (or at least show up to help harry from time to time). Finally, Snape probably appear to be Voldemort's right hand man throughout the last book, but be there to help Harry in the end, this be his final retrabution for telling Voldemort the prophecy and getting Harry's parents ed.
Posted by etrip from Houston on January 15, 2007 10:36 AM
thats some good thoughts there... I am thinking Dumbledore is but thats not all there is too it. I think Snape come through for us in the final chapter of harry potter. Oh and against the flying avada kedavra that I pointed out. Watch GOf, " the spare" and wormtail kedavras cedric and cedric does lift of the ground.
Posted by Rhys from Wolverhampton on January 16, 2007 02:38 AM
I just reread OotP & HBP, I totally agree with "Etrip", I think Dumbledore be the Phoenix (the pet Harry gets in book 7) I do believe snape help harry on the end of the next book, draco do so too!
Although i read a lot of comments there where some very good ones! But I must admit Dumbledore is , he didnt use the polyjuice (i think) because it was the real dumbledore speaking to draco, so calm. He wasnt afraid of , like he always said; ' isnt the worse thing a person can get'.
Mc gonagal isnt bad, i just cant believe that. She always been to nice and carefull for harry.
I cant wait for the next book!
Posted by Ruud from The Netherlands on January 17, 2007 02:10 AM
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