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Dumbledore Is Not !

by David Haber

Well... maybe not. At least, I don't think he is. Snape's betrayal and the of Dumbledore caught me completely by surprise. Dumbledore was , and on top of that, Snape had done it. And all of the clues point to two possibilities, that Dumbledore's not really , or at the very least, that Snape's not really a Eater, and he Dumbledore because Dumbledore ordered him to, as part of a grand plan.

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Hi, can some one please tell me what they think about this one, do you reckon dumbledores ghost could come back and help harry somehow. (thats if he IS really)

Posted by chocolate frog from hogsmeade on December 5, 2006 2:55 PM

If a wizard was in the cave do you reckon they would be able to apparate to the other side (near the basin) without using the boat?

Posted by huzaifah from london on December 5, 2006 2:58 PM

Chocolate frog...hope the chocolate from Hogsmeade is as good as ours in Switzerland. I am only joking;-) To business. I am sure that Dumbledore not come back as a GHOST. Why I am sure? Remember what� Nearly headless Nick� said to Harry in the end of OotP; I quote:

I was afraid of �, said Nick softly.�I chose to remain behind. I sometimes wonder whether I oughtn�t to have �.well that is neither here or there�in fact, I am neither here or there� �!

We have Dumbledore�s words that he was not afraid of , so in my opinion Dumbledore not come back as a ghost. IF he chooses to come in contact with Harry, he have other means.

To Huzaifah. Apparating sounds good. But Dumbledore tells Harry:�.we are required to make payment to pass.� In this case it was with blood. Later he tells him that he taught Tom Riddle. I am pretty sure Voldemort had enchanted the whole place and the only way to get to the basin was by boat

Posted by Mistral from Switzerland on December 6, 2006 04:10 AM

Chocolate Frog - In regard to Dumbledore's Ghost: I don't think that Dumbledore return as a Ghost. Wizards get a choice, and I remember Sir Nicholas telling Harry when Sirius d that he chose to be a ghost because he was afraid of the unknown, but that Sirius would never have chosen that (he was courageous). Dumbledore was not afraid of the unkown part of , it was "the next great adventure".

Huzaifah - I am almost positive that a wizard could not apparate inside the cave. Remember, one of the greatest wizards of all time was protecting the horcrux. Harry couldn't use accio to summon the horcrux and I don't think it would have made sense to magically protect the cave in many ways but then to allow a magical person to simply apparate to the horcrux. This was a piece of Voldemort's soul and I, at least, am sure that he accounted for blocking apparition as a means of crossing the lake. Why else measure someone's magical ability in the boat, and have a requirement? I think probably because Voldemort made sure it was the only way to get across the lake.

Posted by Eric W. from Mt. Pleasant, MI on December 6, 2006 05:38 AM

I have a question (which is also a clue): "Why did Prof. DD asked for snape instead of SLUGHORN after returning back from cave?"

I think slughorn would be better than snape because he knows more about he dark arts than snape (HE KNEW ABOUT HORCRUXES). He is also better at potions. So he would surely have an antidote to cave potion.

SECONDLY, Prof. DD says to harry in cave (while pulling that chain which pulls out the boat) that "I know TOM, I have taught him." THEN isn't it possible that SLUGHORN might knew that potion in the cave as he had also taught TOM...

I THINK this point to that whatever hapenned at tower, was preplanned.

Posted by KARTIK from NEW DELHI on December 6, 2006 07:09 AM

DD would ask for Snape instead of Sluggy because he knows that Snape has much more knowledge about the darkarts than Sluggy..

It would be really easy to protect that horcrux from some one just apperating next to the basin. All you would have to do is make them miss that little island in the middle by a few feet and the person would be in the lake with all the inferi pulling them under..

Posted by Kevin from Wisconsin on December 6, 2006 10:21 AM

I have something to share that I admit is probably irrelevant but worth at least a quick thought. When we were first introduced to Dumbledore, I couldn't help but notice this quote. "Ah, music," he said, wiping his eyes. "A magic beyond all we do here!" Why would Dumbledore have such an emotional reaction to music? Now, in the sixth book, there is again an allusion to music in Fawkes Lament. It was brought up earlier on this site that the Pheonix's song served a significant role. Is it possible that music is playing a bigger role than anyone in the world would have guesssed?

Posted by Anthony from United States on December 6, 2006 2:34 PM

Goodness, all these hypotheses have got my imagination in overdrive!

Thinking more on the scene of DD's ; I think that Harry was frozen to stop him from bringing about his own ; that DD asked for Snape specifically to bring about protection for Draco so that Snape performs the and saves Draco's soul from permanent evil; that in Harry's chase of Snape after DD's , Snape becomes so incensed at Harry when he attempts the Avada curse because Snape KNOWS it was part of DD's plan to protect Harry, and how dare he try that on someone ultimately trying to protect him?

Snape would have let Dumbledore know as soon as he performed the unbreakable oath with Draco, and in order to protect Draco from permanently crossing to the dark side (and be tied to Voldemort forever), a plan is hatched to DD; DD knows that he be with Harry in pursuit of the Horcrux that night, so the ous plot is hatched for exactly that time so that Snape be ready to take over when Draco fails, as DD knows he . He is also ready to stun Harry into immobility as soon as they land... how would he know to do that at that exact second if it wasn't to a grand plan?

Dumbledore is most certainly , as his portrait is already hanging in his office when Harry is summoned there by McG after the attack. In one of the previous books, there is a specific reference by DD that "magic cannot restore the " when DD and Harry are discussing the of his parents - so DD cannot come back by the hand of magic.

Posted by Juli from Melbourne, Australia on December 6, 2006 6:02 PM

I don't think snape knows more about the dark arts than sluggy because remember he told voldi about the horcruxes which is considered as the most dark art

Posted by KARTIK from NEW DELHI on December 6, 2006 8:53 PM

Sorry if this has already been said, but there is a LOT to get through!

I was re-reading Goblet of Fire today and noticed something that I had not focused on before. When Voldemort is talking to the Eaters and explaing the gaps in the circle, he says (for one large gap) that is should contain 3 wizards - one who d in service, one who is his faithful servant at Hogwarts (who we think is Snape but is actually Crouch Jnr) and one who is lost forever and be ed. This must be Snape. WOuld Voldemort be so easil convinced by Snape by the beginning of the sixth book, when Snape claims to Mrs M that he is working for Voldemort as a spy and that the latter trusts him?

Posted by hamlet from Bradford on December 7, 2006 1:09 PM

Hamlet - That was a good thing to point out!
I wonder if views of Snape might have changed though, after he finished Dumbledore? Also, could this instead be talking about Regulus Black? Could he still be alive and hunting horcruxes? Sirius seemed to know very little about the end of his brother, he just hints that he heard he was ed by Voldemort or on his orders. Snape could have belonged in one of the other gaps. Also, wouldn't the other Eaters have known exactly who should have been in that spot, and know who Voldemort was referring to? If it had been Snape, it seems like word would have spread quickly that he was not to be trusted, yet he almost seems to be revered when everyone steps away as Snape s Dumbledore.

Posted by Eric W. from Mt. Pleasant, MI on December 7, 2006 7:59 PM

Ok so I think that we have to admit that Dunbledore is in fact because JKR said that he definately was. (I know I don't want to belive it either but...) However I am convinced that Harry find the means to comunicate with him. What about his portrait? I was never really sure. Do portraits of people actually had minds or do they just act as though their real self would? remember when Harry was trying desperatly to find a way to contact sirius in the 5th. (SIRIUS DID NOT HAVE TO DIE! he was my favorite character! Darn you JKR!) Well what if he actually does next book? Then could harry also comunicate with his parents?

Posted by Dory from Pacific Ocean on December 10, 2006 11:19 AM

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