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Dumbledore Is Not !

by David Haber

Well... maybe not. At least, I don't think he is. Snape's betrayal and the of Dumbledore caught me completely by surprise. Dumbledore was , and on top of that, Snape had done it. And all of the clues point to two possibilities, that Dumbledore's not really , or at the very least, that Snape's not really a Eater, and he Dumbledore because Dumbledore ordered him to, as part of a grand plan.

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I am thinking of everything you said of it even before i came to this page, another important thing that hasnt been mentioned in this page is that the portraits are real... I mean even if he is the portrait can talk, think and be present in time... you know what i mean? so I was thinking that maybe he come back thuouth the portrait... harry anyways have his help. but still I hope for him to come really for my own health I am so sick of thinking he is that I even started the book for the third time.. that is insane.. but anyway.. lets hope for his return. i be loyal to him and that is enough.!

Posted by darling polo from pa on November 3, 2006 09:58 AM

I highly agree with your thinking in HBP. However, some may find it difficult to believe that it is part of Dumbledore's plan for him to fake his own . We do not want to believe that Snape is innocent, because for six years Snape has loathed Harry and tortured him in any way possible. We want to have something against Snape. In almost every book, Snape is suspected of being guilty for whatever misfortune is taking place at Hogwarts. Yet every time the guilt belongs to another person. In HBP, Snape is finally guilty and we are satisfied. Your research is very convincing and changed my views on a few things. Of course, I am making no bets on the outcome of the seventh book until it has been published.

Posted by Katherine from Boern, TX on November 3, 2006 9:49 PM

Alrite now, I hve been closely following the comments on this site about DD's and came to the conclusion that JO's right. And why? Well, if we go back to end of the first book where DD's talking to Harry at the hospital about Nicholas Flamel's , he says "After all, to the well-organized mind, is but the next great adventure."
Also, in book 5 during the duel with Voldemort, DD makes it very clear that isn't the worse thing to happen.
Now we all know that nobody can beat DD's clever mind so right there in the first book itself it was made clear that DD doesn't believe that is the end or there'll be an end of DD after a certain . So, it means even if he's , he's still powerful and equally efficient. He may not be able to do things himself now but can make them happen. So, if this theory is to be followed then DD is surely but not OUT.
P.S. By calling JO a liar so blantantly is very disrespecting. She's the captain of this ship and I am very sure she wont lie unabashadly like this and then in the 7th book revive DD and say "Oh, I was just lying".

Posted by no0r from mumbai on November 4, 2006 02:40 AM

I have started rereading the HBP and there seems to be a theme concerning Fawkes.

As a majority of most people (myself included) feel that Fawkes is Dumbledore's horcrux, while rereading I noticed that every time Harry compliants Dumbledore during their private lessons, JK writes that Fawkes lets out a noise.

Most of the time this is explicitly stated through the use of commas. For example (and paraphrasing since I don't have the book) when Harry was telling DD about the converversation with Scrimouregor at the Weasley's home during XMas, when Harry said "he is DD's man through and through," DD become weepy and Fawkes makes a noise.

It appears that Fawkes recognizes Harry's compliments and feelings towards DD. I quickly looked in Chamber and never found this writing style to occur. There are parts in HBP where it is very explicit - statement by Harry, (followed by a comma) Fawkes making a noise, (followed by continuation of storyline).

Would this be because Fawkes and DD share a piece of soul?

Posted by Michael on November 6, 2006 05:23 AM

if fawkes would be the horcrux, why would dumbledore ask harry to get the information. it seems to me that dumbledore is just guessing and doesn't know what a horcrux is until harry tells him. and if he wasn't sure what a horcrux was, as he said, then he can't be able to make one.

Posted by theo from sweden on November 7, 2006 11:47 AM

I don't want to believe that Dumbledore is ; although JK Rowling has said that we shouldn't "expect him to do a Gandalf"! Which to me seems conclusive, alas. Having said that, there are a LOT of clues in the book that he isn't, and it seems difficult to reconcile these with the idea that Dumbledore is .

Posted by Philip Chandler from London, England, UK on November 7, 2006 3:55 PM

Theo -
Dumbledore asked Harry to get the information (I assume you mean from Slughorn) to determine how many horcuxes were made.

Posted by Michael from Philadelphia on November 8, 2006 08:07 AM

hmm u have a point that could be right, but slughorn said that it's really bad for your body and your sould to make horcruxes, and if dumbledor would have done one he sure would have changed wouldn't he`?

Posted by theo from sweden on November 9, 2006 11:38 AM

Getting back to the portrait for a moment.......
It never just apeared to be sleeping...
Does any one else think its odd that with all that had just happened, DD wouldn't have tried to reassure and encourage those in his office, especially the staff, if he'd had the chance?
How tired could he have been?
He was .
And... just how much of a person is in one of those portraits...
Is it just a shadow, like a ghost, or is it substatially more?
Or even better, can they cast spells?
Didn't a which in one portrait threaten to curse N. Black when he was slow to do DD bidding?

Posted by Kevin from Wisconsin on November 10, 2006 07:55 AM

Portraits casting spells? I don't see that happening. Let me explain: Portraits and people share only two things: time and sound, there is no way (so far) to insert yourself in a portrait nor is there a way for someone in a portrait to come out and shake your hand. Portraits are something like ghosts, they share the same uncorporealness feature (neither can touch a living being), time means nothing to either of them, they can talk with living beings, they can provide guidance, etcetera, yet they don't share our SPACE, which means what happens in there space doesn't happen in ours.

Fawkes, Dumbledore's horcrux? No way. You see, when Dumbledore and Harry talk about Horcruxes after they see Slughorn's real memory, Dumbledore says something like "Voldemort was too eager to rip his own soul in the search of immortality that he didn't stop the see the value of a soul which is hole and untarnished." After reading this, I have no doubt that Dumbledore DID NOT make a horcrux.

Why do Fawkes and Dumbledore seem so alike? Well, haven't you seen that Fawkes and Dumbledore have spent at least like 60 years together? (taking Voldemort's wand as a refference) They are bound to have a great connection. Besides, phoenixes are loyal to the extreme, meaning that they share what you feel.

And Dumbledore knew, in some way, about Horcruxes, Slughorn said in his memory "Dumbledore is particullarly fierce about that subject" and Dumbledore said that he realized, after Voldemort came back, what the diary was.

Posted by Ra�l Llavaneras from San Antonio de Los Altos, Venezuela on November 11, 2006 3:38 PM

I've been following this site since its establishment and i'm glad there is this comment function now so we can all discuss and share our thoughts in a more informal manner!
just wanted to say that i really hope that dumbledore isnt ! the horcrux theory is very probable, i keep thinking about this everytime i reread the entire series:)

Posted by parnparn from hong kong on November 12, 2006 02:05 AM

Here's another way for Dumbledore to be present in book 7, though he might be. On the frog card he's been accredited for 3 acheivements: Partner with N.Flammel, Defeat of a dark wizard in 1945, and 12 uses of dragon blood.

This last one has not been factored into the story...yet.
I believe in their 1st year Hermione was found stu the 12 uses although we don't know what they are. Then no mention of dragon blood... until HBP.

In HBP Slughorn and Dumbledore were cleaning Slughorn's home after he faked his eater attack. As Slughorn magicked blood off the wall, Dumbledore asked him what kind of blood it was. Slughorn responded it was dragon blood and that he hoped it was not contaminated because it was extremely rare.

I believe Dumbledore formulated a strategy using this dragon blood that we discover in book 7.

Posted by Mikey from New Jersey on November 12, 2006 06:46 AM

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