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Dumbledore is dead... again
by David Haber
Almost exactly 4 years ago, as we all read the end of Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince together for the first time, we experienced the death of Dumbledore, and this site became into being, as it was originally known as dumbledoreisnotdead.com. And now, with the release of the movie, we're reliving it, all over again.
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My personal favorite was the article in the site telling us about dumbledore's horcrux, Now i strongly feel that JK could have brought dumbledore back, she should have kept the option open till the very end.
Posted by Rahul from India on July 18, 2009 11:16 PM
Im soo happy your still writing new blogs on this website. Ive been following all your blogs and discussions since the origional dumbledoreisnot website.
I like you loved the portrayal of Dumbledore from Harris but I didnt really feel the connection from Gambon. But I dont think this is actually the actors fault but the film makers fault. Due to the film makers not being able to actually produce all scenes between Harry and Dumbledore from the books or make the scenes that are present longer, I feel we didnt see the connection between Harry and Dumbledore in the films.
For instance the very important conversation at the end of Order of the Phoenix wasnt discussed except from a breif quote where Dumbldore basically says "Voldermorts either going to you or you Voldermort". Whereas the whole part of the book I loved where Harry has a rather fatherly son argument with Harry blaming Dumbledore for the of Sirius was not present.
The books always be better than the movies and I understand this but why add things into the movies such as the Burrow being torn down in the new film (what was all that about) instead of including the discussion about Horcruxes between Harry and Dumbledore. They didnt even mention what the Hocruxes might be, hows Harry suposed to know that a Horcrux could be a Goblet from Hufflepuff. The film makers have made the last film of ly Hallows to be a sort of walk in the dark with Harry blindly looking for some Hocruxes.
And another thing where was Kreacher, the Gaunts, Bill, Fleur and Dobby. For the of Dobby in the last film which I found soooo sad in the book, I dont think it be involved. Think about it the aunce who havnt read the books have seen Dobby in only one film. Therefore when he s in the film I dont think they'll have as much connection in the last film.
Posted by Jack from London on July 19, 2009 01:18 AM
What an absolute let down the film is. Apart from The DH THBP is my favourite book. There has been soooooooo much left out it was painful to watch. I cannot begin to imagine how the last film make any sense with all the goofs in this film. The ring was not even cracked, How is the wedding going to happen? Why was the house burnt down? Why wasnt kreacher or Dobby mentioned? Harry has no idea about Voldamorts need to secure trophies for his horcruxes. The non mention of Hepzibah and to not mention the tomb of Dumbledore or see him resting in it with his wand is so wrong.
In my opinion the whole film sucked, those who hadnt read the book could surely not have understood what was going on. Why were they flying around like black smoke? I thought that Snape could fly in this book, but it was not until the next book we found out that Voldamort could fly, utter rubbish!
I cant wait for the remake of all the films with someone producing them who has not only read the books but understands them and is as passionate about them as we are on this site!
Posted by Angie Brewer from Bognor UK on July 19, 2009 07:30 AM
I agree with you on the fact that Michael Gambon finally brought out the character of Dumbledore in the 6th movie. In the past 3 movies, that nice, fatherly, calm side of Dumbledore seemed to be lacking a bit.
I would have liked to see more tension between Harry and Snape though. It seems that Harry calling Snape "a coward" near the end was not too convincing.
And one last comment: Is it just me or that I was rather disappointed that the new Minister of Magic, Rufus Scrimgeour, was left out in the movie? I thought it would have been useful to highlight the disintegrating relationship between Hogwarts and the Ministry, and that it was not pure "good vs. evil" (Order of the Phoenix vs. Eaters), but also involved a government that had a murky stance in the war. There's no way that the complete corruption of the Ministry could be shown properly in the 7th movie without mentioning the Ministry at all in this 6th one.
Posted by Winnie from Sydney on July 19, 2009 09:11 AM
I just read the 6th and 7th books for the first time in my life this week. And yes, I literally cried at the of DD. He was, is and remain the best characters ever encountered in any book. I so wish I had a mentor like him in my life.
Well, their movie was a big let down. They've chosen not to include a lot of things that are pretty important.
But still, watching Albus fall down from the Astronomy Tower made my heart much more than twitch.
Anyways, I am sort of confused now. I have seen the movie and read the books, but this Hogwarts life seemingly has grown onto me. I just can't get back to real life. Did you all encounter a similar feeling after having read the books? All I have done for the last 3 days is read books, sleep, read books sleep. That's it. And I am kind of feeling vey sad... as if I am actually facing Dementors. Help.
Posted by Albus Dumbledore from Hogwarts on July 19, 2009 12:19 PM
To: Albus who posted...ahh dear Albus yes we all felt exactly what you're feeling when we read the books and we felt it again reading them over and over. But remember to keep love in your heart when you feel sad because in the books it was never truly evil vs. good, it was evil vs. love!
Now on to David (the site master), thank you for the many many years of your dedication. Your love of the books and us fans shows no bounds. I've always said you remind me a bit of Dumbeldore, lol. And having read the book and sobbing like a baby when Dumbeldore d, though I knew it was coming in the movie, I found myself once again thinking no! please dont let it happen, maybe it wont happen, I really dont want this to happen. I think seeing it in the movie made it more final for me than the end of ly Hallows.
As for this movie, *heavy sigh* I can't express how disappointed I was. I kinda felt like the rug was pulled out from under me. There was just too many ommissions in this movie and way too much tween romance. Those tween situations would have done much better as snippets thrown in to lighten the mood during what should've been a really dark and intense movie. My biggest gripes are of course **warning spoilers** the battle within Hogwarts being left out just made it seem very anti-climatic, as well as no Bill Weasley being attacked by Fenrir the werewolf (to be precise the movie doesnt even tell you he's a werewolf. People around me kept saying what's wrong with that guy?)
Harry not being immobilized by Dumbeldore during the scene it really just didnt work for me, and 2 Snape biggies missing were his line of "DONT CALL ME A COWARD" after Harry calls him one because as we all know in the end he was not a coward and I really felt that was relevant. And most of all where was the part of Harry finding out Snape (oh excuse me, Professor Snape, lol) was responsible for telling Voldemort about the prophecy thus he was responsible for the of Harry's parents. That was HUGE! Because they never truly delved into the prophecy and what it really meant in OOTP I really thought they would have to in this one to make sense of what they were doing looking through these memories so it was overal a big let down for me and it seems a shame it was left out especially for those not reading the books. The connection between Dumbeldore and Harry seemed to be lacking perhaps because they didnt include more of the pair working together to bring down Voldemort.
This movie started out really well the first 30-40 minutes then just crashed and burned. I'm trying to hold out hope for the last 2 but given the fact they have the same team of writers/directors/producers I'm having a hard time holding onto that hope. I also, could've accepted no for Dumbeldore better had they inserted the part where the new minister of magic asks for Harry's help and Harry turns him down flat and the minister says, "well I can see you're Dumbeldore's man through and through". and Harry replies with a resounding, "YES I AM!" at least that would've made the ending it was just left so flat. It's going to take me a while to get over this.
Posted by Melanie from Ohio on July 19, 2009 1:15 PM
Oh I forgot to mention, on a good note for the movie I did think Michael Gambon finally had the role of Dumbeldore down pat (as you said just in time to go away) and I also thought Tom Feltons portrayal of the tormented Draco Malfory was spot on! He really shined in this movie.
Posted by melanie from ohio on July 19, 2009 1:20 PM
Am I the only one who found the movie unsatisfactory? It focused too long on the vanishing cabinet, invented scenes that did nothing for the plot, did not stay true to the book and failed to develop the characters well enough for the viewer to form a bond.
Yes, Dumbledore's role in this movie did increase but he is still nothing like the version we read about in the book. He's still jumpy, nervous and loud. The Dumbledore we grew to know and love was calm, endearing and WISE. We never get any of that patented Dumbledore charm or wisdom in any of the movies, apart from the first movie.
Yes, it is a movie and can't include as much information as the book, but doesn't that automatically make it inferior?
Posted by Mike from Detroit, MI on July 19, 2009 7:07 PM
I have to say, the Half-Blood Prince is my favorite Harry Potter movie. I love it from beginning to end. I've been reading about this movie for more than a year now, so I knew all the changes and cuts being to the story months in advance based on test screen viewers� reactions and the information from advance screening viewers. I think this let me accept the changes far more easily. The movie absolutely has problems, but I've never enjoyed watching a Harry Potter movie more (Well, I love the third movie too, but not as much.) It's so nice to see some canon or close to canon lines along with the beautiful cinematography. I honestly think the first two films tried to be far too faithful to the books and suffered for it. I'm glad Yates is directing DH I and II.
The young cast has improved so much. Tom Felton, Jim Broadbent, and Alan Rickman are amazing, and finally, Gambon has shown us he can be Dumbledore. I really think he does better than Richard Harris did in this film. (I completely hate Gambon in the GoF movie) I love the line in HBP where Dumbledore says "Trust me." I couldn't have imagined anything better. I think this explains Harry�s behavior, even though he isn�t immobilized � he doesn�t want to leave Dumbledore, but he swore to follow any orders and trusts him. I almost didn't want to go see this movie because of seeing Dumbledore . (Someone screamed in the theater when it happened.) I think the wand lit vigil is very touching and at least partly makes up for the missing . The was filmed, so it might be in the first part of DH, but I don't really mind if it isn't there.
Posted by Anonymous from Arizona on July 19, 2009 7:16 PM
I've got to agree with the sentiment that the half blood prince was a tremendous let down. How in the world can you create action scenes that didn't exist in the book and then cut out the largest action scene in the book. I really don't get it. They made the good guys look totally inept. The bad guys walk right into the good guys most protected facility under unusually high security, the strongest good guy, and then walk out without a fight. They didn't even run, not to mention why wouldn't they stick around and do more havoc since nobody got in their way.
Secondly I'm really concerned about the next two movies because they've altered the script so far from the original that they can't go back. I would really like to see them remake 3-7, with the director from 1 and 2. Atleast you can tell he read the books and enjoyed them.
Posted by TIm Van Loan from New York on July 19, 2009 8:49 PM
I agree with Tim from NY. If the invented and counterproductive scene of the invasion of the Weasley's ending with their home being burned had been eliminated there would have been time to show the battle at the Astronomy Tower. Dumbledore would only have had to mention to Harry that he'd left members of the Order patroling Hogwarts to set the scene for the battle.
I agree that Michael Gambon has finally (almost) redeemed himself in this portrayal of Dumbledore. He didn't portray the wise tower of strength that Harris did until this movie. I thought Gambon's performance in PofA was the worst.
I agree with many of the thoughts expressed in the prior postings, especially in relation to the flying "black smoke," the need to tie in the prophesy and Snape's responsibility for the of Harry's parents more clearly, and the importance of trophies in relation to the horcruxes. There could have been just a bit more passion in "the kiss" without changing the tone of the story. I think we needed to have one of the first two directors back again.
Posted by Alice from Newark on July 20, 2009 12:59 AM
Just to let you all know people who think the has been cut is hasnt been cut entirely. It be in the first part of Daethly hallows... maybe as like a flashback scene or something. And also I've heard that instead of Dobby apparantly Kreacher be ed instead. Because Dobby has only ever been seen in one film by people who havnt read the books so audeicnes wont have the sort of connection with people like us who have read the books over and over again growing to love Dobby. Finally the battle of Hogwarts from HBP wasnt involved cause they didnt want the battle of Hogwarts in DH to be too repetative. The HBP movie had soo many flaws but afterall the movies never live up to the books of JK (the worlds best author in my eyes).
Posted by Jack from London on July 20, 2009 01:32 AM
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