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by David Haber
These are some of the clues contained in the pages of Harry Pottter and the Half-Blood Prince which support the possibility that Dumbledore is not really , or at least Snape Dumbledore on Dumbledore's orders, and that everything that happened that night was planned well in advance by Dumbledore himself.
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First of all I would like to say that from the 1st time I started reading HBP to the last time I have read it- I kept thinking, ‘What is up with Dumbledore? He is definitely not himself.’ Now of course- things in the wizarding world are getting more intense & serious, but still, none of his mannerisms seemed like him at all. I started looking for signs of Dumbledore not REALLY being Dumbledore throughout the book and this is what I have come up with……it IS long, but hopefully you’ll read b/c I have yet to see this theory elsewhere.
I believe that Dumbledore is not . I believe that Pettigrew has A LOT to do with that……. How? Let me explain….
In the beginning of HBP, chapter 2, Spinner's End, we find out that Pettigrew is staying with Snape. Why? Snape says “I was under the impression that the dark lord placed you here to assist me”. But we never find out what he’s doing to “assist Snape” nor do we ever hear anything else about Pettigrew assisting Snape for the rest of the book. Even though it was the Dark Lord who placed him with Snape, I think that Snape & Dumbledore used this to their advantage……..keep reading……
In chapter 4 of HBP, US edition, pg 61, Harry tries to ask Dumbledore what has happened to his hand but is interrupted by Dumbledore:
“Professor, what happened to your-?” “I have no time to explain now,” said Dumbledore. “It is a thrilling tale; I wish to do it justice.”
In HBP pg 503, Dumbledore is telling Harry about horcruxes and that his hand was desperately injured by destroying the horcrux in Marvolo’s ring. But he doesn’t make this a “thrilling tale”. Basically all he says is:
“The ring, Harry. Marvolo’s ring. And a terrible curse that was upon it too. Had it not been- forgive me the lack of seemly modesty- for my own prodigious s, and for Professor Snape’s timely action when I returned to Hogwarts, desperately injured, I might not have lived to tell the tale. However, a withered hand does not seem an unreasonable exchange for a seventh of Voldemort’s soul. The ring is no longer a Horcrux.” The next page, 504, he continues on and tells Harry where & how he found it. Nothing is thrilling about the story, nor does he “do it justice” by how he tells it @ that time.
In HBP, pg 440, Dumbledore & Harry are reliving memories through the pensieve.
Harry got to his feet once more as Dumbledore emptied the last memory into the Pensieve.
“Whose memory is it?” he asked.
“Mine,” said Dumbledore.
The only memories that Dumbledore poured from jars were other people’s memories; never his own. Why now?
What’s my point? I believe that during parts of HBP, Pettigrew is portraying Dumbledore by use of polyjuice potion, on Dumbledore & Snape’s orders. Maybe they convinced or persuaded the little vermin that this would be a way to pay back his to Harry for sparing his life in POA…….stay with me……
I believe that Dumbledore had to make his hand appear blackened during the parts of the book b/c polyjuice potion could not change Pettigrew’s “silver” hand- it is not flesh so maybe while he is on polyjuice potion it appears blackened/burned. (It is Pettigrew’s right hand that is “silver” & Dumbledore’s right hand that is burned) That is why the story he tells Harry about injuring his hand is not thrilling or given justice
I especially believe that @ the end of HBP when Harry and Dumbledore go into the cave, that Dumbledore is actually Pettigrew on Polyjuice potion.
Read again what is said by “Dumbledore” when Harry is making him drink the potion in the cave, HBP, us edition, starting on pg 571- 573, he says the following things:
“I don’t want….Don’t make me…”
“It’s all my fault, all my fault,” he sobbed. “Please make it stop, I know I did wrong, oh please make it stop and I’ll never, never again….”
“Don’t hurt them, don’t hurt them, please, please, it’s my fault, hurt me instead…” “Please, please, please no…not that, not that, I’ll do anything…”
Now in POA pg 374, US edition, when Pettigrew is faced by Sirius & Lupin for revealing where the Potter’s were hiding to Voldemort, he says,
“Sirius, Sirius, what could I have done? The Dark Lord…you have no idea…he has weapons you can’t imagine…I was scared, Sirius, I was never brave like you and Remus and James. I never meant it to happen….He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named forced me-”
#1 he never meant it to happen
#2 Voldemort forced him
After that, Pettigrew had no choice but to go in hiding, and then later join up with Voldemort. Voldemort was
HBP, Pg 557 ‘And with the sudden agility of a much younger man Dumbledore slid from the boulder, landed in the sea, and began to swim, with a perfect breaststroke, toward the dark slit in the rock face, his wand lit between his teeth.’
Pettigrew is a MUCH younger man than Dumbledore.
So, how has Pettigrew repaid his to Harry? Well, to sum it up, by portraying Dumbledore in book 6 he sacrificed his life to help Dumbledore convince the entire wizarding world he is , so in the long run Dumbledore can work "behind the scenes" to help Harry find the horcruxes and destroy Voldemort. (Which I’m sure Harry would consider this as Wormtail’s being paid back.)
So maybe that gaze of “revulsion and hatred etched in the harsh lines” of Snape’s face WAS actually hate and disgust. Because he knew that it was Pettigrew he was staring at, the person largely responsible for Lily Potter’s .
Posted by carlotta from atlanta, ga on July 9, 2007 3:30 PM
What was Snapes wand's core? I think it was some part of Dumbledore, thats why he trusted him so much.
Posted by Lee J from Alameda, CA, USA on July 9, 2007 4:11 PM
I have to disagree with one of the points you make, unfortunately. The Freezing Charm-You state Harry was already invisible, and therefore out of harm's way. This is not true. The cloak, while preventing Harry from being seen, does not prevent him from being heard-the book mentions his inability to scream-a scream which would have revealed his presence. Not to mention, that Dumbledore could have believed Harry would get involved and tried to stop him knowing he was the one to Voldamort, or something similar-not necessarily because he wanted a witness.
Posted by Dylan from Chicago, IL on July 9, 2007 4:29 PM
all the props to carlotta from atlanta....a great theory, which has me convinced that Dumbledore is not ...how did you think of it? great work...genius.
Posted by Bilal from Dansville, NY on July 10, 2007 9:22 PM
Think about it a pheonix s each time and is reborn from its ashes! meaning the pheonix itself s...With this in mind can one person really think that Dumbledore really has a horracrux, for the simple reason that once a host s the part of your soul that was left inside would be lost as well. Therefore i do believe Dumbledore is and his brother tell Harry what all is going on and about AD in his earlier life
As to the fact that Dumbledore did leave memories for Harry to find it is very easy to note that Dumbledore cared deeply for Harry and would thus leave harry more clues like where he has suspicions of other horecruxes. AD did make sure he stated the address to 12 gimmace place in front of the dursleys, they therefore have knowledge from it from the secret keeper himself meaning they can see it and know where it is.
Fawkes play a very important role in the 7th book i believe because he is a magical creature that has very amazing abilities, as an example of this look how he has helped harry throughout the books thus far. I would also like to point out that Hagrid has a magical mother although not a wizard in a giants blood this has shown that spells seem to just bounce right off him and have little effect on him, also the house elves can apparitiate within hogwarts where witches and wizards cannot. with that said would it also make sense that Fawkes has abilities that thus far have seemed irrelevent to notice thus far such as carry the dursleys to number 12 gimmace place right after Harry has come of age?
should be an interesting book 7
Posted by doug from somewhere in the us on July 11, 2007 09:06 AM
Does the fact that Dumbledore drank the draught of the living mean anything?
Posted by Ginny from the Burrow on July 11, 2007 09:20 AM
I have just figured something out. Maybe dumbledore is an unregistered animagus of a phoenix and when snape performed the avada kedavra on him he didnt realy . Remember that when a phoenix s it blows up into flames, and it's reborned with its ashes? When Dumbledore was blasted off the batallion maybe he blew into flames while he was falling and was reborned from his ashes. There's not that much proof for this possibility so I'll try to find more to prove this statement.
Posted by Abdulahad from Denver, Colorado on July 11, 2007 10:05 AM
J.K. has said that dumbledore is . but has she ever said that albus dumbledore is ? im not sure. but we know that their are two dumbledore's in the area. the other being alberforth in the hogs head. he may have taken his brothers place before entering the cave.
Posted by Brad from Lansing, MI on July 12, 2007 09:02 AM
Wow Carlotta! amazing theory. I never thought about all the things dumbledore said, and it sounds like the drink brought back the memories. Your theory fits perfectly with everything, except for the tomb. Perhaps Dumbledore casted a spell on it from the forest. what do you think?
Posted by jake from Missouri on July 13, 2007 8:05 PM
Bilal- thanks for the comment. It took alot of reading and close attention to come up with that...not to mention the hope of Dumbledore not being ! I guess we'll find out this time next week!
Posted by Carlotta from atlanta, ga on July 14, 2007 10:36 AM
When Harry and Dumbledore go into the Pensieve that time where a young Dumbledore first goes to the orphanage to meet Tom Riddle... if that was Dumbledore's memory, then why do we see him in the memory? Surely if it was Dumbledore's memory he would see himself? I agree that it could have been Pettigrew who changed places with the real Dumbledore.
Posted by monika on July 14, 2007 6:10 PM
What you say makes sense, Monica, but the pensieve memories don't work that way. It would make sense to see all the memories through the eyes of the who's memory it is, but the memories we see in the pensieve don't. We don't see the Guant House memory through the eyes of the Ministry agent. We don't see the Hepizabah memory through the eyes of Hokey. We don't see the Marauders memory through the eyes of Snape. In the pensieve, the memory is expanded, and you get to be there as an outsider. Cool device, huh?
Posted by Dave Haber from Los Angeles, CA on July 14, 2007 6:57 PM
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