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by David Haber
These are some of the clues contained in the pages of Harry Pottter and the Half-Blood Prince which support the possibility that Dumbledore is not really , or at least Snape Dumbledore on Dumbledore's orders, and that everything that happened that night was planned well in advance by Dumbledore himself.
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To the well organized mind is but the next great adventure. Dumbledore did live a long life, so he has a long plan that work and he watch things unfold from wherever it is he wishes to be. Because he is so well organized.
Posted by Anonymous on July 3, 2007 7:58 PM
Well does the Half Blood Prince book actually explain how the person s? It could be the case that when Narcissa speaks the vows that Snape has to fulfill maybe its the case that when Narcissa finds out that this person hasnt fulfilled these vows she can Snape.
Posted by Dargor on July 4, 2007 09:23 AM
This is in response to clue number 8. Now, I personally might not have the quotes, but remember back to every time that someone major in Hagrid's life has d. How does he cry? I believe the term "blubbering" comes to mind, and the descriptions of extremely violent and loud too.
Why would he be "crying quite silently" if Dumbledore, the man I dare say he LOVED, was ? He would be EMOTIONALLY WRECKED if Dumbledore was truly . However, if he was upset over knowing the secret, having to pretend that Dumbledore was , most likely he'd be crying quietly. Almost like he was trying to hide the truth.
Hagrid knew. He wasn't crying like normal because he knew that Dumbledore was alive, but he still had to put on a show.
Posted by Paul from San Diego, California on July 4, 2007 6:18 PM
Paul, excellent catch. you may be on to something in Hagrid's tears. At the funderal Hagrid was supposedly carring Dumbledore's body, but no one ever really saw him. Interesting.
Posted by Heather from NJ on July 5, 2007 2:04 PM
hmm... i read somewhere among comments a theory about Dumbledore being a Phoenix, animagus or something similar. this could sound a bit strange, and i apologise in advance, but my major is english (in croatia), and we've paid attention to the articles so much. i ask you, in the 5th book, The order of phoenix... Could The Phoenix be someone else? i don't know...
Posted by Lastkiss on July 6, 2007 2:52 PM
Possible new clue:
In Order of the Pheonix, McGonagall is hit by four stunning spells simultaneously. The results are as follows:
"...then she lifted right of her feet, landed hard on her back, and moved no more." (pg.636
And later, Madam Pomfrey says of McGonagall "...transferred to St Mungo's this morning. Four Stunning Spells straight to the chest at her age? It's a wonder they didn't her." (pg.644)
Who else do we know to be very old? And who else was lifted right off their feet when hit with the alleged avada kedavra directly to the chest? Is it conceivable that a stunning spell with enough power could produce the illusion of ?
Posted by Emily from Ontario, Canada on July 7, 2007 06:41 AM
I did want to mention the one clue that made me start to question Dumbledore's --his eyes. Whenever JK describes the eyes of the victims of the Avada Kedavra curse, they are described as open. Dumbledore, however, is described as having closed eyes. I have been made aware that not all victims have this description, such as Frank Bryce, but considering the attention to detail that JK puts into characters, describing the eyes differently becomes significant.
On an unrelated note, I also want to mention that everything Ron saw in the Mirror of Erised in book 1 is set to come true in book 7.
Posted by fotodave.com from Richmond, VA on July 7, 2007 08:43 AM
I have to admit, being one that was deeply saddened by the '' of Dumbledore that this did slightly raise my hopes. However, while I still dare to hope that Dumbledore may have some part to play in the remaining book (15 days left!), J.K has categorically stated on numerous occasions that Dumbledore is indeed . And that should not be disputed. I am however very impressed by some of the latter arguments for Dumbledore's continued life - but alas, I cannot take them seriously.
Long live Dumbledore!
Posted by Daniel Singer from London, England on July 7, 2007 11:31 AM
I have been rereading the series in preparation for the movie and book releases and have found a few interesting passages.
1. In The Sorcerer's Stone, Ch. 12 "The Mirror of Erised," Dumbledore says, "I don't need a cloak to become invisible."
2. In The Prisoner of Azkaban, Ch. 9 "Grim Defeat," Hermione says, "He ran onto the field as you fell, waved his wand, and you sort of slowed down before you hit the ground."
3. In The Prisoner of Azakaban, Ch. 22 "Owl Post Again," Dumbledore says, "You think the we loved every truly leave us? You think that we don't recall them more clearly than ever in times of great trouble?"
4. In the Half-Blood Prince, several passages to be reread yet, Harry asks about Dumbledore's shriveled hand, and Dumbledore always brushes him off and says that he explain later.
5. In the Half-Blood Prince, ch. 27 "The Lightning-Struck Tower,"...he was forced to watch as Dumbledore was blasted into the air. For a split second, he seemed to hang suspended beneath the shining skull, and then he fell slowly backward, like a great rag doll, over the battlements and out of sight."
I am still looking for more clues to "prove" that Dumbledore is still alive, but wouldn't it be possible (in HBP) for Dumbledore to have used a silent spell to counteract Snape's curse, slow down his fall before he hit the ground and then be invisible to still be present/alive but not seen? (clues 1, 2 and 5 from above)
Couldn't the shriveled hand be part of some spell that would help Dumbledore fake his and/or bring him back to life? Dumbledore "promised" to tell Harry what is wrong with his hand. How could he do that if he is truly ? Why would JK Rowling bring it up several times if not to address it later on? (clue 4)
As to clue 3, maybe Dumbledore still be able to help Harry and fiends a la Star Wars. Yoda and Obi Wan were still able to communicate with Luke even though they were . Perhaps there is a spell that would do just that maybe even with clue 4.
Posted by Holly Ceci from Youngstown, OH on July 8, 2007 07:36 AM
I never realised it said in the book, "He cannot you if you are already ." I asked my parents what they thought about it, them being Potter fans too, and they were just as confused as I was. I read the clues that were posted on here and in a way it makes sense. But it did get me to thinking. What if Dumbledore can't be ed because he was already ? After all he did say that you can't be ed if you are already and that made me think about it. And he also says, "I never have truely left Hogwarts until none here are loyal to me....Help always be given to those who seek for it." The fact his wand is missing is too strange for me to understand. If they didn't snap it at his ...then where is it? And where exactly is Fawkes? Did he take the wand? I don't really believe Dumbledore d that night and if I am mistaken I won't be surprised just disappointed. But I couldn't keep myself from thinking all this in the course of about 10 minutes as I went through everything I know of the Harry Potter series, which is a lot considering I've read the books about 50 times each and watched all the movies about the same amount. I searched for any information I could find and to me...I don't believe Dumbldore d.
Posted by Nikki Hatcher from Owensville, MO on July 8, 2007 6:52 PM
its metioned alot that voldemort only feared dumbledore so what if dumbledore wanted voldemort to think he was to lull him into a false sense of security. And the best way to do that i think is to voldemort himself feel this, so what if dumbledore froze harry so that harry would then feel dumbledore is and as its been known that harry can feel voldemorts feelings, shouldnt it work both ways and if occlumency was used, snape could tell voldemort to stop this, and when harry felt hatred of snape for ing dumbledore this might make voldemort feel that snape is on his side.
i love this site and i think dumbledore isnt and that clue on a non verbal Expelliarmus might be right it makes scence.
another crazy idea i had was that dumbledore might be an Animagus in that of a pheonix wich is why the body burst into flames and why harry thought he saw a pheonix in the flames. but its a little far fetched.
Posted by damien horwood from chester, uk on July 9, 2007 10:51 AM
About the fact that dumbledore is not , "Dumbledore was positioned in a place as if he was asleep." Dumbledore says when he is alive that the avada kedarva curse leaves no mark on your body whatsoever, "there was a trickle of blood coming from dumbledores mouth." this could have been caused by dumbledore falling, but still, we all know that snape was working on both sides, but hagrid mentions that snape has got to keep his cover, which is rather weird it coming from Hagrid.
Posted by harrypottergeek from UK on July 9, 2007 12:30 PM
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