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Dumbledore Clues

by David Haber

These are some of the clues contained in the pages of Harry Pottter and the Half-Blood Prince which support the possibility that Dumbledore is not really , or at least Snape Dumbledore on Dumbledore's orders, and that everything that happened that night was planned well in advance by Dumbledore himself.

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Un, if it wasn't Snape but Voldemort on top of the tower, why didn't he Harry when he had the opportunity? Instead when Harry pursues him, he blocks his spells. He is in fact, continuing to teach him! That bit to me is something that suggests very strongly that Snape is really a true member of the Order. If he were on Voldemort's side he probably would have ed Harry. He could have done it easily, and certainly would have if he's really been Voldemort.

Posted by Elizabeth from Australia on February 4, 2007 4:40 PM

Voldemort pretending to be Snape? I don't think so. It just doesn't fit. First of all, if Voldemort was at Hogwarts, he would have ed them all as soon as he got the chance. Done--book over.

The fact that Snape met Harry at the gate, and the fact that Snape didn't hurt Harry at the end (in fact, he blocked spells and tried to give advice) proves to me that Snape is on "our" side--he's in the Order.

Posted by Heather from NJ on February 4, 2007 8:14 PM

Since reading in the FAQ section on JK Rowling's website that Dumbledore's Patronus was a phoenix, I've been troubled by the last chapter of HBP (US, p. 645) wherein... "Harry thought, for one heart-stopping moment, that he saw a phoenix fly joyfully into the blue..."

Nowhere does it say the phoenix was identified as Fawkes. Iwanted to post to see if there were any thoughts from others or interpretations I hadn't thought of.

Posted by April from Georgia on February 6, 2007 12:13 PM

Is it possible that Snape and Dumbledore modified everyone on the astronomy tower's memories? We were introduced in the seventh book to the idea that memories could be changed. So convincingly changed, that people had even been put in prison because of them. This could perhaps explain the way that Dumbledore hovered for a split second, this could be the border of the memory modification. I feel that this is a very likely explanation because this memory modifcation business was stressed in several parts of the book, and we all know how JKR likes to introduce ideas and apply them in her novels.

Posted by Tyler Frasch from Kansas City, MO on February 6, 2007 1:24 PM

I had a discussion with friends the other night doing this exact thing this site was doing. I hadn't read this site first. We came up with the possibility that Snape had done a nonverbal "Temporary" ing Curse on Dumbledore, and that it was indeed part of the plan. I agree with the descriptions of the curses being different, but there's one thing that I found that I haven't seen yet on this site. In many novels of Literary merit, (unfortunatly the Harry Potter series is not...YET!) there is often use of EYES as a motif or symbol. If you look at the descriptions of the bos after the ing Curse was done, it always specifically says that the EYES ARE OPEN. But when it shows the description of Dumbledore, HIS EYES ARE CLOSED, and it looks like he's sleeping.

Also, something to think about Horcruxes: One of my friends said that Harry's scar could be a sign that Harry himself is one of Voldemort's Horcruxes. This could answer why the connection exists between Harry and Voldemort.

I like the idea of Fawkes being a horcrux for Dumbledore.

One more thing: wouldn't the original piece of Voldemort's soul have been destroyed when the curse backfired on him when he tried to Harry as a baby? So then there would only be 6 left to destroy? And Voldemort is currently using one of the pieces of his soul from one of his Horcruxes?

Posted by MacBerjoin from Utah on February 11, 2007 8:56 PM

There are so many things that most readers, myself included, don't even notice!

Yeah, Fawkes could be a horcrux.

Or... what if Dumbledore is actually an Animagus, who turns into Fawkes? And Albus could have swapped places with Aberforth, using Polyjuice potion or something else... just an idea.

Posted by Fawkes from Unknown on February 12, 2007 11:12 AM

I have thought about Dumbledore becoming a phoenix as well, but he couldnt necessarily become Fawkes, because there are several scenes where we see Dumbledore and Fawkes in the same room

Posted by Ashley from Missouri on February 12, 2007 3:57 PM

Regarding the Expeliarmus vs Avada Kadavera color. I don't recall a discrepancy in Expelliarmus color, just that it was red. However, there is a spell that when mentioned by name, JK has told us that there is light, but has convieniently forgotten to tell us what color that light is, and that might possibly act in the way described - Levicorpus, which we are assured is both a non-verbal spell and invented by Severus. Upon examination of the horific scene in Goblet of Fire after the Quiddich World Cup, I have deduced that the color of this spell is indeed green. Harry sees "a burst of strong green light" right before he sees Roberts being suspended in the air.

Posted by Jaina of the Stars from Orlando, FL on February 16, 2007 2:32 PM

("Neither can live while the other survives")
Could tom riddle be possessed. maybe at birth. and in the attack on Harry he inherited a portion of the possession. so the possession is the other. On removal of the possession?Just a thought. maybe some posters Could make some sort of case for this, or put in the waste basket AS IT MAY WELL DESERVE

Posted by Gordon from uk on February 17, 2007 02:41 AM

My theories (please excuse my English: I'm not mother tongue):
1) Dumbledore agreed with Snape a great plan to let everybody (Lord Voldemort first) think that Snape is a real eater loyal to Lord Voldemort and that the Order lost two important members: Dumbledore and Snape;
2) Snape served Dumbledore till his and beyond it: he is the man Dumbledore trusts in the most... he is Dumbledore's man till the end. For his loyalty to Dumbledore he accepts to be hated and misbelieved by Harry & the Order and executes (with hate and disgust) the order Dumbledore gave him (like Harry himself does in the cave!);
3) Dumbledore asked Snape to him because he knows that in the final war against Lord Voldemort he can be more useful ing than surviving in an old body (already in HP4 we are told many times "Dumbledore is getting old"; the battle in HP5 let Dumbledore bushed; in HP6 he loses his hand, etc);
4) In the cave (HP6) Dumbledore tells Harry: that one of Lord Voldemort's limits is that he fears and that Harry's life is more worthy than his one; etc.
5) after the , the portrait of Dumbledore appears in the headmaster room. Ok, it can be (as someone said) that the portraits represent former headmasters, not necessarily , but why Dumbledore should be a "former" headmaster? If he's not , he is still headmaster.

... so, Dumbledore IS DEAD...

... but all the info concerning the phoenix (Fawkes, the Order, his patronus, the when he disappears in white flames, etc.) tell us that in HP7 Dumbledore is definitely coming back to help in the finale war.
... But I'm sure that Dumbledore WON'T COME BACK AS A LIVING CHARACTER, BUT IN FORM OF A SPITIT (a ghost? Within Fawkes?). Let's say: between Gandalf and Obi-Wan Kenobi, Dumbledore is more alike the second.

Posted by ziasimo from Rome, Italy on February 20, 2007 06:54 AM

Margriet Verbeek,

I think this is absolutely brilliant, that Voldermort might have been on Polyjuice Potion, and switched places with Snape for the whole school year! And I have not seen that suggested ANYWHERE ELSE.
And I thought of something that might help support your theory, at one point, when talking to Malfoy, when Malfoy had just crashed the Slughorn Christmas part, Snape asks him, something like, "What secrets are you hiding from your master" and Malfoy says he isn't hiding anything from Voldermort, but instead from Snape. That could have just been Voldermort testing Malfoy, to see if he would blab like his mother did.

And if it were Voldermort pretending to be Snape, he might not have ed Harry in the end because Harry could actually be a Horcrux, or because with Harry's blood in his veins, he might not be able to Harry.

I think your theory is every bit as likely to be the one as any theory out there, because that is just the way that this series was written, with so many ways it could all go.

I just LOVE seeing people think of the differnet theories. And I absolutely LOVE yours.

Posted by Karen from Texas on February 20, 2007 08:06 AM

Ziasimo: you put it in a very nice way and I like your comments. I agree that Albus Dumbledore must have d, on his own , through Snape's wand.

But, when Jo said she would not put a Gandalf, I think she said she would make him appear again but in a very different way. In the story you mentioned (and also in Narnia), the powerful hero s, and then comes back to a form of life in which he still has a big power. I don't think somebody ever made the hero come back from the future. If Dumbledore came from the future (the reversal of time Fudge mentioned as being part of Dumbledore's "usual story"), then Dumbledore's past is Harry's future. At least, Dumbledore can appear all along book 7 / DH, with higher powers, because he be, in essence, younger.

There is hope...

Posted by herve from strasbourg on February 20, 2007 10:15 AM

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