by David Haber
These are some of the clues contained in the pages of Harry Pottter and the Half-Blood Prince which support the possibility that Dumbledore is not really , or at least Snape Dumbledore on Dumbledore's orders, and that everything that happened that night was planned well in advance by Dumbledore himself.
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In the Philosophers Stone after the whole school sang a song to their 'favourite tune' Dumbledore wiped his eyes and said, 'Ah music, A MAGIC BEYOND ALL WE DO HERE'
In THBP chapter 29,
'A phoenix was singing in a way Harry had never heard before, that the music was inside him, not without: it was his own grief turned magically to song that echoed across the grounds and through the castle windows'
One of my theories is that the magic of the phoenix could have awoken Dumbledore from the Draught of the living , which is what I believe he drank in the cave, and that he come to Harry in book 7 as someone else and the only way Harry believe it is Dumbledore is when Harry asks 'What is Dumbledores favourite jam' which only he knows the answer to.
Posted by Angela Brewer on January 5, 2007 02:59 AM
I could see if Dumbledore some how survived the fall from the astronomy tower
(which, incidentally, is the same tower that Fred and George threatened to "walk" Ron off of in CoS)
maybe, Maybe the sound of pheonix song could keep him barely alive, but I've never heard of pheonix song having anything other than an emotionel effect on its listeners..
If Fawks had been crying over Dumbledore, that would have been different.
Posted by Kevin from Wisconsin on January 5, 2007 07:24 AM
Would it not be a very bad job for the "good side" if Snape has to Dumbledore on his own orders? In the real Slughorn-memory (Vol 6) we are told that ing someone is "the supreme act of evil" (as it is also in the real world). I can see no difference between Voldemort ing someone to make his Horcrux and Snape really ing Dumbledore as a part of a "Grand Plan" of Dumbledores.
So if JKR tells us that Dumbledore is really , Snape has to be really on the evil side...
Posted by Michael Schlegel from M�nchen, Germany on January 5, 2007 09:56 AM
No one wants Dumbledore to be , least of all me. But, the Avada Kedavra spell was used on the tower that fateful night. With the use of a magical spell; intent means everything. Here are a few examples of my theory. First, no offense to the Diggory family, but Cedric's is no more than squashing a bug. So malice of the is no more than that. So emotional intent would expend no great energy in this example. Therefore, Cedric just drops to the ground. The pseudo Mad-Eye cast the spell on a spider in class, same result. I am not forgetting the Riddle House groundskeeper Frank. Same intent, getting rid of pest that is no real threat. But, in the first Potter book Philosophers/Sorcerers Stone. Hagrid tells us that the Potter house is destroyed. This he tells on two different occasions. What destroyed the house? I surmise it is the Avada Kedavra spell. Voldermort's intent is cold blooded that night; not the removal of an irritant. Magic is a very powerful tool, especially when a persons emotions get involved good or evil. The flying Avada Kedavra is not that implausible. Snape either wanted to Dumbledore or he was order to him by the victim i.e. Dumbledore. Either way the emotional intent would be high. This could explained the Flying Avada Kedavra. Also, when Dumbledore says, please Severus, leads one to believe he is supposed to be begging for his life. Albus Dumbledore beg anyone for his life! The "please"; is a, you know what has to be done, so get on with it already.
Posted by Hermione from Hogwarts on January 5, 2007 2:55 PM
I don't know if Dumbledore is but i know for sure that we have not heard the last of him, but i think in his fight against dark wizards he ed a few of them and as powerful and smart as he is he himself have maybe made a Horcrux. If he had to he maybe thought to make it usefull to , i have not made hard work of this theory but i just thought if you read this comment you could do something with it.
Posted by Nick from Rotterdam, The Netherlands on January 5, 2007 3:13 PM
JK inferred that Dumbledore is ; but after reading above, I agree that he is "alive" in some capacity. My thought was that he, or alive, could communicate to Harry through the Chocolate Frog cards (wacky but plausible).
I seems also plausible that Dumbledore was a phoenix animagus (see tons of references to Dumbldore's hawk-like/ phoenix-like characteristics) so the phoenix Dumbledore is still alive.
I also believe that he was "invisible" when reborn into the blue phoenix that Harry saw rising out of his tomb. And the fact that maybe only Harry (or a few others) saw it rise does not give me pause. We know that Dumbledore said he could become invisible, and thestrals could only be seen by those who witnessed a .
Posted by Tom from Columbus, Ohio on January 5, 2007 8:00 PM
I apreciate this website, I looked for one since the moment I finished the 6th book.
Anyway here's my jumble of thoughts. The only reason for Dumbledore (that I can think of) to fake his is to let Snape gain Voldemorts complete trust.
Also the spell that Snape used on Dumbledore wasn't expeliarmus because its red but I think it may have been Snape's personal spell for hanging someone by the ankle in midair cause it fits well if you think about it and its green.
"For a split second, he seemed to hang suspended beneath the shining skull, and then he slowly fell backward, like a great rag doll, over the battlements and out of sight."
Just a jumble of my many thoughts.:\
Posted by Colin from Colorado Springs, Colorado on January 7, 2007 9:57 PM
Has someone picked up all Dumbledore's "fantasies"? I can count five of them, but I probably forgot some in the way:
1) Dumbledore's scar above the knee (London underground map): no meaning up to now
2) In front of the mirror of Erised: everybody offers Dumbledore books, and he would like socks: no explicite meaning, may refer to the "gift" Harry gives to L. Malfoy to get Dobby free, a sock inside a book.
3) To Harry: he likes raspberry jam: Dumbledore suggests Harry could use it to ensure he speaks to the real Dumbledore; has it already been used? If Dumbledore told noone but Harry about this, it can also help somebody (Aberforth?) to know he faces the real Harry (could be kind of a password).
4) To Hagrid and Harry: Aberforth used to practice unproper charms on goats: Jo admitted that Aberforth was the keeper at Hog's Head, and it was mainly guessed from Aberforth and the goats (goat smelling is mentionned at Hog's Head). The fact Aberforth probably does not know how to read hasn't been used though.
5) Some words Dumbledore give to Madame Maxime in front of Hagrid are about the Room of Requirement, as Harry himself says in OotP.
So, everything seems to have a precise meaning, except for the very first one (and others I can't recall?).
Posted by herve from france on January 8, 2007 09:48 AM
I definately think Dumbledore is not comming back, but i also think that Snape remain loyal, and has always been loyal to the good side. I believe Snape ed Dumbledore on Dumbledore's own orders. I also have a clue to add. When the book speaks about Harry seeing Dumbledore's portrait upon the wall of the hadmaster's office it remarks that Dumbledore looked peaceful and content. All other portraits upon that wall are able to remember past events, and they still have feelings. We find this out when Finnius Nigellous gets upset, or surprised as Sirus's in harry potter and the order of the phoenix. If Dumbledore was at all perplexed at his "" wouldn't his body language or facial expression show it in his portrait? I think he looks content because his plan saw through perfectly.
Posted by Michelle from N.Y. on January 11, 2007 8:07 PM
Why was Dumbledore pleading to be ed as he was drinking that potion in the cave? Was he "speaking" to someone? Was he reminding Snape from afar of what must be done?
Is it likely that Snape was able to fool Dumbledore all those years? Dumbledore is clever, we see that over and over,so that seems very unlikely to me.
And, finaly why is Dumbledore so trusting of Snape? He never wavers in this trust. He tells Harry that he trusts Snape with good reason... Did Snape swear this to him with the unbreakable vow?
And lastly, none of the former Hogwarts Head Masters is really per se. They all live on via their portraits..so wouldnt Dumbledore? He could still advise and guide Harry and Phoenix members from afar couldnt he?
I think he's as can be, and that he planned it with Snape!
Comments on these observations and questions greatly appreciated.
Posted by PHH from FallRiver, MA on January 14, 2007 01:42 AM
is it possible to be an animagus that transforms into a phoenix? dumbledore was transfiguration teacher. and anyways, in 7 wont harry be able to just go to dumbledores portrait and ask him everything he needs to know?
Posted by john on January 14, 2007 2:56 PM
Well i disagree with half of what is written on this site, but there are things that might be right. But the portrait from Dumbledore was in his office next to the other portraits from other heads of the school that d. I think Dumbledore is but maybe snape isn't a eater. He probably told Dumbledore about the unbreakable vow so he sort of had to him i guess. But i think we hear more from dumbledore. But i think he is .
Posted by Kelly on January 15, 2007 05:04 AM
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