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Character changes in Goblet of Fire
by David Haber
In the Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire movie, there is a scene in the Gryffindor common room, where Harry is lamenting that they still don't have dates, the Patil sisters walk by, and in unison they say, "Hi, Harry!" But wait! What is Padma Patil doing in the Gryffindor common room?!
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I wouldn't disagree with that statement. My goal is mostly to help put the movies, and how they are made, into perspective. I feel as if many people watch the movie and count all that is missing rather than truly evaluating the movie on its merits. Remember, this thread was started based upon the changing of one minor character's house placement.It is these such instances that I deem wholly irrelevant.
It is interesting that you bring up Harry and Voldy (I like Morty, I'd never heard that before, but I wouldnt dare copy) existing in a vacuum. I don't feel the movies come off that way? Do you? I look forward to your response. Also, which movie is your favorite (i'll leave your criteria up to you)
Posted by Anthony from California on November 21, 2006 5:21 PM
I like to tell people that you have to look at the movie version(mv) and the book version(bv) as two separate, yet vagely conected,stories..
The hope is that they both meet at the same conclusion, but there is no guaranty that that happen.
I would however like to point out that although the Patil twins being in the same house may be a minor detail, because of this change, we were not "introduced" to Lavender Brown, who, you must admit, plays a major roll in character developement in book 6. They'll get to her eventually I'm sure, but it's these "minor" omisions that I find so distracting.
Another, in POA(mv), durring the quidditch match with Huflepuff, no mention is made of the fact that the Hufflepuff seeker is Cedric Diggory.
In GOF(bv), Mr. Diggory goes on and on about how his son be able to tell his grand children that he beat Harry Potter.
I know, if they put every thing from the books into the movies they would be about three and a half to four hours long..( worked for Petter Jackson)
I didn't mean to imply(or is it infer...I always mix that up) that the movies feel as though Harry and Morty exsisted in a vacuum, I meant to say that without the background details, it would seem that they did.
I also accept that the "FILMMAKERS VISION" may differ from my own, but the key elements in the story have to remain, or you run the risk of alienating the same aunce that showed enough interest in the books to make the movies
possible..or should I say "fiscally attractive" to the studios..
As for my favorite movie thus far, I would have to say it was POA...
I would say GOF, but that was my favorite book, and the movie was not what I hoped it would be( I know I know...two different stories...I'm a hypocrite)
My favorite movie could be HBP...but thats only if we can get M. Night Shyamalan to direct....if yer gonna dream, dream big
Posted by Kevin from Wisconsin on November 22, 2006 07:03 AM
POA was my favorite movie so far too. They left stuff out of it, but it was so well done that I didn't really notice til later. I would like to see Alfonso direct another HP movie. HBP or Book 7 would sit very well with me.
Funny you bring up Peter Jackson's LoTR. I'm also an avowed Frodo fan, I love both the films and books. I would like to note that Jackson has been accused of missing things and leaving things out and combining characters, etc. as well. Specifically changing Saruman's story, Arwen's involvement, Frodo's age, lack of Tom Bombadil, no Scouring of the Shire...the list is long. The reason is that if you just made the film by filming the book as if it were a screenplay, it would be awful and possibly 3 times as long.LOTR is a little more epic for most readers, and so 3 hrs is more acceptable I believe is the thinking. I think 2 hours and change is appropriate for the HP movies, for monetary as well as quality control.
I think you and I are basically on the same page Kevin. You grasp that the movies be different because they have to be.As for the upcoming movies, OOTP looks good from the small bits I've seen. I'm mostly addressing the mood/setting I suppose, which is all I can really deduce from such snippets. Also the casting seems on (Luna and Umbridge..though Umbridge is taller than I would have thought, the actress seems very good).
A final note, to address the lack of introducing characters like Lavender Brown in GOF and Cedric in POA. I really do think a movie aunce can handle, and expects, to meet new characters every movie. It could be thought of as holding back characters until absolutely necessary to make each movie feel a little more fresh (just a guess).
Posted by Anthony from California on November 22, 2006 11:44 AM
I think that J.K.Rowling should not permit the scriptwriters to alter the story and make so many mistakes,this is not fair,for her and the fans.
I have read all the books many times and i would not like such alterations to the story i the movies.
Such as no house elves in HP IV GOF,dementors flying instead of gliding few inches above the ground in HP III.
Posted by Akshat from Jaipur,India on November 23, 2006 08:06 AM
If the books were to be filmed in there entirety, they woulod be longer than "a cure for insomnia"...(98 hour art film I got dragged to by an ex-girlfriend, amazing what a red-head can make you do)
I agree that the elves have not gotten enough screen time, but they have to work them in soon.
and by the way,
when I bruoght up Peter Jackson, I was talking about KING KONG.....ok?
Posted by Kevin from Wisconsin on November 23, 2006 2:58 PM
Yeah i agree to this fact that showing everything indeed be very long, however at least they should not have altered the story and showed Junior Crouch in the very starting of the movie HP IV.
Also they showed World Cup just for a few minutes. talking about the length of the movie, Indian movies are generally at least three hours long, and the movie i saw yesterday (Ice Age 2) was less than one and half hour, however i liked it.
And i bet i have seen more Hollywood movies than people have seen sitting next to it.
What i actualy want to say is that that if they cant show something more they should at least not add gibberish to it.
They should have a decent review of the film by J.K. and the fans (hopefully me).
Posted by Akshat from Jaipur,India on November 24, 2006 12:35 AM
Sigh, I guess I haven't convinced many. I restate, however; that Jo Rowling has approved all the scripts for the HP movies. To me that speaks volumes. The elements left out were clearly not as crucial to the story arc as some seem to assert.
Posted by Anthony from California on November 24, 2006 1:24 PM
that sounds like a good idea charlie but then why does snape call lily a mudblood?
Posted by Launa from Sussex on November 25, 2006 3:18 PM
I agree with Anthony - if JK Rowling says its ok then its ok, especially as she's the only one who knows for sure what is going to happen in the last book and so the last movie. Also more children go to Harry Potter films than other movies like LOTR so it should be shorter or theyll get bored
Posted by Caroline from Scotland on November 26, 2006 06:44 AM
One thing I have to say about what "should or shouldn't" be in the next movie,
the Weasley twins exit from the school MUST be in the film.
I know they most likely won't be able to show Filch punting students across the swamp, but they can't just have a "minor distrubance" before the twins check out.
Posted by Kevin from Wisconsin on November 27, 2006 10:21 AM
One more thing...
Could some one please explain to me why Prof. Flitwick's appearance has changed since CS.
He looked perfect in the first movie...that's still the way I see him when I read the books.....
Posted by Kevin from Wisconsin on November 27, 2006 12:04 PM
I totally agree with kevin
i was watching the Goble of Fire yesterday and it really bothered me! The third and fourth movies are too different from the first and second. personally i like the first to much better! Too bad directors changed. But I heard that Chris Columbus is coming back for the next movie. thats exiting!
Posted by Kate from Wisconsin on November 27, 2006 12:19 PM
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