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Character changes in Goblet of Fire

by David Haber

In the Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire movie, there is a scene in the Gryffindor common room, where Harry is lamenting that they still don't have dates, the Patil sisters walk by, and in unison they say, "Hi, Harry!" But wait! What is Padma Patil doing in the Gryffindor common room?!

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In both PoA and GoF movies, Padma and Pavarti are both Gryffindors according to the colors on their uniform (which annoyed the heck out of me in both movies). By the way, they could easily be identical twins. Often times identical twins, if their weight varies, their facial features are slightly different. The movie Padma weighs slightly more than Pavarti, this is why her facial features are slightly different. Just because twins are "identical" doesn't mean you can't tell them apart!

And I think that people are not allowed in eachother's common rooms. The locations of the rooms are kept secret, other houses merely have a vague idea of where they are (Hufflepuffs somewhere around the kitchens). However, anyone with the password would be allowed in. The fat lady never let Harry (or anyone else) in if they did not have the current password (even though she must have known he was a Gryffindor). Probably if Padma knew the password, she could enter...but it was probably frowned upon and the girls probably hung out together in the library and on the grounds.

Posted by Lily from Orlando, Fl, USA on August 11, 2008 4:53 PM

In the movie, Parvarti and Padma don't look identical, but as Lily from Orlando says, they could be. I'm not sure, but I think in PoA (book) I thought it said they were identical.

The movie probably put both Patil sisters in the same common room to make it easier. I don't think students from other houses would be allowed in each others' common rooms. Knowing the password is not enough. If the portrait to to the common room knows somebody is not supposed to go in they can refuse to open. Remember the Fat Lady refused to open for Sirius in PoA. I don't know about the Ravenclaw common room though. It seems like the door would open for anyone who could answer the question.

Posted by Anonymous from Arizona on August 12, 2008 5:04 PM

'We know that, especially as we move into the much bigger books, the movie makers have to decide to include certain things, combine certain events and leave out others entirely.'

How could J.K let them cut out Dobby! Especially his big bit in book 7! I'm guessing that they'll make Kreature do Dobby's bit instead and him off! Why Dobby!

Posted by Alex B. from London on August 28, 2008 07:32 AM

You are all over looking the fact that in book 7 Harry goes into the Ravenclaw common room with Luna to look at the Diadam on the statue

Posted by Matthew Terry from USA on October 15, 2008 9:50 PM

Sirius has two shots at getting into the Gryffindor Common Room. The Fat Lady refuses to let him in the first time because he doesn't have the password. That's why he attacks her. Sir Cadogan on the other hand does let Sirius in the second time, because he has all the passwords for the week that Crookshanks snitched for him from Neville's bedside table. After that all the portraits in the castle are shown his "Wanted" poster.

Also apart from the Ravenclaw door knocker allowing Harry in, it allows Professor McGonagall in as well even though she is head of Gryffindor. The Carrows have to be let in by those intelligent enough to answer the knocker's questions.

Posted by Elizabeth from Australia on October 16, 2008 02:53 AM

Responding to my post above, it was in GoF that Hermione said the Patil twins were identical.

So it seems that the eagle knocker for the Ravenclaw common room lets anyone in who can give a satisfactory answer to the question. The Fat Lady denies Sirius entrance into Gryffindor tower because she knows he is not supposed to be there. She also can talk to people, besides asking the password. Once, she does not let Harry and Ron in, even though she knows them, because they do not have the password. The eagle knocker does not talk except to ask the question and accept the answer. Maybe it does not distinguish between the people wanting to enter the room. There might not have been a rule specifically banning students from entering other common rooms, but they probably never did. In one of Snape's memories Harry sees in DH, Lily tells Snape she is only waiting outside, the portrait hole because Snape was threatening to sleep there. Maybe this was because Snape would not be able to actually enter the Gryffindor Common room.

Posted by Anonymous from Arizona on October 16, 2008 11:16 AM

I disagree about your point that the movies never actually conflict with the movies. They do, though in small details.

FACT: In the Sorcerer's/Philosopher's Stone, Harry receives a GREEN hand-knit sweater from Mrs. Weasley.
FACT: In the movie, Harry recieves a BLUE sweater.

FACT: also is SS/PS book(it's the on I'm rereading now), When the trio play the chess game, they all take the place of a chess piece.
FACT: In the movie, Harry&Hermione; take the place of a chess piece, and Ron RIDES a knight piece.

Posted by Holly R. from Farmington, NH on October 19, 2008 2:50 PM

Small details like that are purely visual though and don't contradict anything of substance in the books. Harry's eyes aren't green in the movies because Daniel Radcliffe would have needed to wear contact lenses which would have been difficult for a child that age. Also they can be hard to get used to. You can only wear them for a couple of hours a day at first or your eyes get sore, and not everyone can wear them. Some people's eyes react badly and some people are just plain squiggly about putting them in! I think Mrs Weasley gave Harry green things to "match his eyes"; a very motherly thing to do. Remember the dress robes in GoF?
I think Ron rode the knight because it looked more dramatic when the queen struck and he fell off - film is a visual medium - and also it emphasised his importance in the scene. It's one of the rare occasions when Ron is the leader. I thought it was a really nice touch.

Posted by Elizabeth from Australia on October 19, 2008 5:04 PM

Well this just proves that Chris colombus, (the one who made the first 2 movies) was a better director than this alfonso guy, We have a lot of complaints of the 3rd, 4th and 5th book but almost none of the 1st and 2nd books (except the part where ron is in detention with harry and hermione instead of neville) well maybe he thought that neville wasnt such an important character maybe because he didnt read the other books and wanted to highlight the three main characters, there are quite a lot of other main characters but as i said that might be because he didnt read the other books.

So that just proves that Chris Columbus was a better director.

Posted by Apoorva from India on November 2, 2008 05:37 AM

I think the moviemakers put the twin in gryffindor because GOF book said Lavendar was with the one twin, but Lavendar hadnt been it a hp movie [ti'll the 6th movie] yet, so finding a actress for Lavendar, only for about 5 seconds, wouldnt be easy as just saying the twins were both in gryffindor, and it doesnt change the story!

Posted by Lindsey from California on February 7, 2009 11:23 AM

I think Padma and Parvati were put in the same house in the movies for identifying them as twin sisters. We know the actresses Chowdhury and Azad are not twins. No one would be able to understand that they were twin if they were in different places. So they stayed together and acted as twins.

Posted by Mahin from Bangladesh on May 7, 2009 9:17 PM

I think it is the correct reason for putting Patils in the same house.

Posted by Christius Potter from Saint Martins on May 7, 2009 9:19 PM

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