Character changes in Goblet of Fire
by David Haber
In the Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire movie, there is a scene in the Gryffindor common room, where Harry is lamenting that they still don't have dates, the Patil sisters walk by, and in unison they say, "Hi, Harry!" But wait! What is Padma Patil doing in the Gryffindor common room?!
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You are so right! Padma should not be in there at all! I didn't think the different house played an important part in the seventh book anyway...
Posted by Mary from Atlanta, GA on September 9, 2006 06:46 AM
Indeed. The movies really don't compare to the books at all, in my opinion. The books are so great and when you watch the movies they just don't seem up to par.
Oh well, still entertaining.
Posted by Bryan from Gardeon Grove, CA on September 9, 2006 12:56 PM
I don't think that the patil twins are very inportant but in the 1st book dumbledore said that it is unawthadox to go into other people's houses but he didn't say you can't and in book 5 didn't the sorting hat say that we must be friends and reyunite ourselves with other houses so that means that we can go everwhere.
Posted by Haydn Scott from Spain, Barcelona on September 10, 2006 07:55 AM
Of course, all of us are guessing, so no one knows for sure. But I don't think we have any examples of someone being in a house common room that's not theirs. For example, Harry never meets Cho in each other's common room. They meet outside or in the great hall. And just because students can have friends in other houses doesn't mean they would allowed in each other's common room. Otherwise, why would they have guards and passwords?
Do you think a Gryffindor would ever be welcomed in the Slytherin common room?:-)
Posted by Dave Haber from Los Angeles, CA on September 10, 2006 3:01 PM
Oh My God!
You just told me something new. I never realized that before...
Ah well, the books are better than the movies anyway:)
Posted by MyKing_ from The Netherlands on September 11, 2006 09:37 AM
I think they went for the visual joke of two 'identical' kids speaking together over the fact the girls are in separate houses. In the books Fred and George talk together quite a bit too.
The films were always going to be different from the books. After all we have the pictures %-) I think PoA works best on that score, GoF least.
Posted by Marjorie from Wellington, NZ on September 11, 2006 1:09 PM
Personally, I think you're making way too much of a deal out of this. I adore your site and think everything is extremely logical and realistic... but this is a little dramatic! First, not a lot of people noticed and second, those who did were not disrupted or jarred or unable to continue with the movie.
Or at least, the normal ones weren't.
Posted by Jennifer from Wolverhampton, England on September 11, 2006 2:58 PM
Possibly. However, it sets a precedent and would be very disturbing if this was the beginning of a bad trend...
Posted by Dave Haber from Los Angeles, CA on September 11, 2006 3:05 PM
next time listen more carefully to the words said by miss granger.
in chamber of secrets when the diary got lost it was clearly said that any one can enter the common room if they have the password, in this case her sister had... so no great deal to look for.....
Posted by VIVEK KAKKAR from mumbai ,india on September 12, 2006 10:08 AM
This may be true, but it's just not done. What's the sense in having a guard and passwords if they're given out to just anyone?
And I still question, would the Fat Lady let a non-Gryffindor in, even if they had the password? Sirius got in, but (a) he was a Gryffindor and (b) a replacement guard (Sir Cadogan) was on duty at the time.
And Harry and Ron got in the Slytherin common room, but they needed polyjuice potion to do it, and besides, Malfoy was with them.
Posted by Dave Haber from Los Angeles, CA on September 12, 2006 10:22 AM
I agree that it is rather irregular to allow both sisters into the common room, however you've made the assumption that they are BOTH gryffindors.
This is not neccesarily true, and i'm sure has crossed you mind. We do not see her cheering at Quidditch games with her sister decked in Red and Gold, never do we see an explicit alignment with the House of The Lion.
It would make sense to me, however, that giving passwords wontonly makes them immaterial. BUT, would you seperate brothers and sisters? To limit the interaction between brothers and sisters is oppresive. It's concievable that she was/is allowed to visit her family member in another common room. Furthermore, she does become a prefect and it can be assumed she was deemed trust worthy enough to hold this information considering the circumstances.
Additionally, she may not know the password. Her sister may have invited her to the common room and open the portrait for her.
Perhaps there is an agreement between the faculty and the Fat Lady, or between the Fat Lady and Padma.
It's a situation that is a deviation from the books but this instance is not entirely unrealistic. (Look me, debating realism in a ficticious universe.)
Haary and Ron do use a poly juice potion to get in, BUT that doesn't mean they couldn't have gotten in otherwise. They did not know the whereabouts of the entrance to the Slytherin common room AND the reason for the PJ Potion was to disguise themselves for Malfoys sake. Remember they were attempting to illicit information.
Also, remember that Sirius black was a guantly shaded, grown man, disarranged and an infamous criminal... with a knife and a list of passwords. If that isn't suspicious I don't know what is.
The Fat Lady was slashed because she would not permit him and Sir Cadogan and his shameful lack of eyesight missed these factors and only identified a correct password.
It is not entirely unplausible that the two sister were in the Gyrffindor common room, although one of them may have not, or may have, been a Gryffindor themself.
Kudos on a fantastically fun site, Dave.
Posted by Vincent Chase from Cincinnati, Ohio on September 12, 2006 2:17 PM
In the movie it is never said that she is also a griffendor. However one thing I noticed was in the very first movie. When Harry, Draco, Hermoine, and Ron went into the forbidden forest to do detention with Hagrid in the movie something was wrong there. If you remember it was actually Neville doing that detention not Ron. It doesn't really matter though, because I love the books and the movies.
Posted by Tony Moudy from Cordele, GA on September 12, 2006 9:55 PM
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